Banned Book Week

“Congress Shall Make No Law Respecting an Establishment of Religion, or Prohibiting the Free Exercise Thereof; or Abridging the Freedom of Speech, or of the Press; or the Right of the People Peaceably to Assemble, and To Petition the Government for a Redress of Grievances.”—First Amendment

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“First Amendment freedoms are most in danger when the government seeks to control thought or to justify its laws for that impermissible end. The right to think is the beginning of freedom, and speech must be protected from the government because speech is the beginning of thought.”—Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, Ashcroft V. Free Speech Coalition (00-795) 198 F.3d 1083, affirmed.

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“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.”—Harry Truman

 

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“If large numbers of people believe in freedom of speech, there will be freedom of speech, even if the law forbids it. But if public opinion is sluggish, inconvenient minorities will be persecuted, even if laws exist to protect them.”—George Orwell, author, c. 1945

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“Once the government can demand of a publisher the names of the purchasers of his publications, the free press as we know it disappears. Then the spectre of a government agent will look over the shoulder of everyone who reads. The purchase of a book or pamphlet today may result in a subpoena tomorrow. Fear of criticism goes with every person into the bookstall. The subtle, imponderable pressures of the orthodox lay hold. Some will fear to read what is unpopular, what the powers-that-be dislike. When the light of publicity may reach any student, any teacher, inquiry will be discouraged. The books and pamphlets that are critical of the administration, that preach an unpopular policy in domestic or foreign affairs, that are in disrepute in the orthodox school of thought will be suspect and subject to investigation. The press and its readers will pay a heavy price in harassment. But that will be minor in comparison with the menace of [345 U.S. 41, 58] the shadow which government will cast over literature that does not follow the dominant party line. If the lady from Toledo can be required to disclose what she read yesterday and what she will read tomorrow, fear will take the place of freedom in the libraries, book stores, and homes of the land. Through the harassment of hearings, investigations, reports, and subpoenas government will hold a club over speech and over the press.”—U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, UNITED STATES v. RUMELY, 345 U.S. 41 (1953)

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“For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that—either now or in the uncertain future—patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.”—The Eternal Value of Privacy by Bruce Schneier

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“[Confiscating a book and punishing its author] is a sign that one does not have a good case, or at least doesn’t trust it enough to defend it with reasons and refute the objections. Some people even go so far as to consider prohibited or confiscated books to be the best ones of all, for the prohibition indicates that their authors wrote what they really thought rather than what they were supposed to think . . .”—Johann Lorenz Schmidt, 1741

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“If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.”—U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis (1856–1941), Whitney v. California, 274 U. S. 357 (1927).

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Outside, even through the shut window pane, the world looked cold. Down in the street little eddies of wind were whirling dust and torn paper into spirals, and though the sun was shining and the sky a harsh blue, there seemed to be no color in anything except the posters that were plastered everywhere. The black-mustachio’d face gazed down from every commanding corner. There was one on the house front immediately opposite. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU, the caption said, while the dark eyes looked deep into Winston’s own. Down at street level another poster, torn at one corner, flapped fitfully in the wind, alternately covering and uncovering the single word INGSOC. In the far distance a helicopter skimmed down between the roofs, hovered for an instant like a bluebottle, and darted away again with a curving flight. It was the Police Patrol, snooping into people’s windows. The patrols did not matter, however. Only the Thought Police mattered.George Orwell, 1984

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“Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.”—Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v. U.S. (1928)

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“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”—Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

 

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“I don’t want to be shut out from the truth. If they ban books, they might as well lock us away from the world.”—Rory Edwards, 12, Washington Post, Getting It Down at Writing Camp

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“A popular government, without popular information, or the mean of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy; or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.”—James Madison
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“Men feared witches and burnt women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears.”—U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis (1856–1941), Whitney v. California, 274 U. S. 357 (1927)
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“Books won’t stay banned. They won’t burn. Ideas won’t go to jail. In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only sure weapon against bad ideas is better ideas.”—Alfred Whitney Griswold, Essays on Education
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“Before the week is out, be a patriot: Encourage a child to fall in love with a book. Apply for a library card. And accept the ALA’s invitation to Let Freedom Read.”—Linda Campbell, Star-Telegram Staff Writer, “Here’s a novel thought: Don’t restrict books
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“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us.”—Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
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“Protecting the safety of the American people is a solemn duty of the Congress; we must work tirelessly to prevent more tragedies like the devastating attacks of September 11th. We must prevent more children from losing their mothers, more wives from losing their husbands, and more firefighters from losing their heroic colleagues. But the Congress will fulfill its duty only when it protects both the American people and the freedoms at the foundation of American society. So let us preserve our heritage of basic rights. Let us practice as well as preach that liberty. And let us fight to maintain that freedom that we call America.”—U.S. Senator Russ Feingold, Statement of U.S. Senator Russ Feingold on the Anti-Terrorism Bill, 10/25/2001
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“If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”—Noam Chomsky, speaking in a BBC television interview with John Pilger on The Late Show (1992)
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When books are challenged, restricted, removed, or banned, an atmosphere of suppression exists. The author may make revisions, less for artistic reasons than to avoid controversy. The editor and publisher may alter text or elect not to publish for economic and marketing reasons. Staff in bookstores and libraries may find published works too controversial and, fearing reprisals, will choose not to purchase those materials. The fear of the consequences of censorship is as damaging as, or perhaps more damaging than, the actual censorship attempt. After all, when a published work is banned, it can usually be found elsewhere. Unexpressed ideas, unpublished works, unpurchased books are lost forever.—2000 Banned Books Week Resource Guide
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“If we are to violate the Constitution, will the people submit to our unauthorized acts? Sir, they ought not to submit; they would deserve the chains that these measures are forging for them. The country will swarm with informers, spies, delators and all the odious reptile tribe that breed in the sunshine of a despotic power…[T]he hours of the most unsuspected confidence, the intimacies of friendship, or the recesses of domestic retirement afford no security. The companion whom you most trust, the friend in whom you must confide, the domestic who waits in your chamber, all are tempted to betray your imprudent or unguarded follie; to misrepresent your words; to convey them, distorted by calumny, to the secret tribunal where jealousy presides — where fear officiates as accuser and suspicion is the only evidence that is heard…Do not let us be told, Sir, that we excite a fervour against foreign aggression only to establish a tyranny at home; that [...] we are absurd enough to call ourselves ‘free and enlightened’ while we advocate principles that would have disgraced the age of Gothic barbarity and establish a code compared to which the ordeal is wise and the trial by battle is merciful and just.”—Edward Livingston, opposing the Alien & Sedition bills of 1798, in Congress
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“I used to think censorship simply meant ‘the suppressing or deleting [of] parts deemed objectionable on moral, political, military, or other grounds,’ as the Random House Webster’s College Dictionary puts it. But since reading Places I Never Meant to Be by Judy Blume (see #267), perhaps the most censored writer in the United States, I’ve come to agree with the definition she quotes from The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia: ‘[The] official restriction of any expression believed to threaten the political social, or moral order.’ Here the idea of a threat to the status quo seems especially important in these perilous times.”—Pat Holt, Holt Uncensored #272
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“Censorship reflects a society’s lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime . . . .”—Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, dissenting Ginzberg v. United States, 383 U.S. 463 (1966)
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“In times like these, we are tempted to defer to authority in the name of security and victory, to mistake panic for patriotism, and to look the other way as secrecy, censorship and self-censorship take the place of reasoned policy-making. To surrender to such temptations is to compound the tragedies of Sept. 11.”—Paul McMasters, Denial of access shushes the democratic dialogue
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“Libraries should challenge censorship in the fulfillment of their responsibility to provide information and enlightenment.”—ALA Library Bill of Rights
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“The Constitution exists precisely so that opinions and judgments, including esthetic and moral judgments about art and literature, can be formed, tested, and expressed. What the Constitution says is that these judgments are for the individual to make, not for the Government to decree, even with the mandate or approval of a majority. Technology expands the capacity to choose; and it denies the potential of this revolution if we assume the Government is best positioned to make these choices for us.”—Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy
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“Every legislative limitation upon utterance, however valid, may in a particular case serve as an inroad upon the freedom of speech which the Constitution protects.”—Supreme Court Justice Stanley F. Reed
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“Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.”—Benjamin Franklin
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“Those who won our independence believed that the final end of the State was to make men free to develop their faculties; and that in its government the deliberative forces should prevail over the arbitrary. They valued liberty both as an end and as a means. They believed liberty to be the secret of happiness and courage to be the secret of liberty. They believed that freedom to think as you will and to speak as you think are means indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth; that without free speech and assembly discussion would be futile; that with them, discussion affords ordinarily adequate protection against the dissemination of noxious doctrine; that the greatest menace to freedom is an inert people; that public discussion is a political duty; and that this should be a fundamental principle of the American government.”—U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis (1856–1941), Whitney v. California, 274 U. S. 357 (1927)
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“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”—Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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“We should build respect and understanding between the diverse cultures of the world. We should help construct communities where people of different backgrounds can live together as neighbors. Freedom is something for which we must fight, not by limiting it but by strengthening it.”—Alex Byrne, Chair of the IFLA/FAIFE Committee
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“We uphold the principles of intellectual freedom and resist all efforts to censor library resources.”—ALA Code of Ethics
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“If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable.”—Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan, Jr., Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989)
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“Liberty of speech inviteth and proveketh liberty to be used again,and so bringeth much to a man’s knowledge.”—Francis Bacon, The Advancement of Learning, 1605
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“We must teach students about their First Amendment rights rather than restrict their use of particular books and materials. As educators, we must encourage students to express their own opinions while respecting the views of others.”—Protect Our Freedom of Speech, Teach It?, Pat Scales
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“The Library is an open sanctuary. It is devoted to individual intellectual inquiry and contemplation. Its function is to provide free access to ideas and information. It is a haven of privacy, a source of both cultural and intellectual sustenance for the individual reader.Since it is thus committed to free and open inquiry on a personal basis, the Library must remain open, with access to it always guaranteed.”—Robert Vosper
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“Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself.”—Salman Rushdie
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“It will be asked whether one would care to have one’s young daughter read these books. I suppose that by the time she is old enough to wish to read them she will have learned the biologic facts of life and the words that go with them. There is something seriously wrong at home if those facts have not been met and faced and sorted by then; it is not children so much as parents that should receive our concern about this. I should prefer that my own three daughters meet the facts of life and the literature of the world in my library than behind a neighbor’s barn, for I can face the adversary there directly. If the young ladies are appalled by what they read, they can close the book at the bottom of page one; if they read further, they will learn what is in the world and in its people, and no parents who have been discerning with their children need fear the outcome. Nor can they hold it back, for life is a series of little battles and minor issues, and the burden of choice is on us all, every day, young and old.”—Judge Curtis Bok, Commonwealth v. Gordon, 66 Pa. D. & C. 101, 110.
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“God forbid that any book should be banned. The practice is as indefensible as infanticide.”—Dame Rebecca West
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“Damn all expurgated books; the dirtiest book of all is the expurgated book.”—Walt Whitman
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“Only the suppressed word is dangerous.”—Ludwig Börne
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“What happened was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to be governed by surprise, to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believe that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. ~ The crises and reforms (real reforms too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter. ~ To live in the process is absolutely not to notice it — please try to believe me — unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted.’ ~ Believe me this is true. Each act, each occasion is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join you in resisting somehow. ~ Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we did nothing) . . . You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.”—A German professor describing the coming of fascism in They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer
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“Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and no such Thing as publick Liberty, without Freedom of Speech.”—Benjamin Franklin
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“[I]t’s not just the books under fire now that worry me. It is the books that will never be written. The books that will never be read. And all due to the fear of censorship. As always, young readers will be the real losers.”—Judy Blume
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“For books are not absolutely dead things, but … do preserve as in a vial the purest efficacy and extraction of that living intellect that bred them. I know they are as lively, and as vigorously productive, as those fabulous Dragon’s teeth; and being sown up and down, may chance to spring up armed men. And yet on the other hand unless warriors be used, as good almost kill a Man a good Book; who kills a man kills a reasonable creature, God’s image; but he who destroys a good book, kills Reason itself, kills the Image of God, as it were in the eye. Many a man lives a burden to the Earth; but a good Book is the precious life-blood of a master-spirit, embalmed and treasured up on purpose to a life beyond life.”—Areopagitica, John Milton, 1644
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“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”—Beatrice Hall, The Friends of Voltaire, 1906
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“The freedom to read is essential to our democracy. It is continuously under attack. Private groups and public authorities in various parts of the country are working to remove or limit access to reading materials, to censor content in schools, to label “controversial” views, to distribute lists of “objectionable” books or authors, and to purge libraries. These actions apparently rise from a view that our national tradition of free expression is no longer valid; that censorship and suppression are needed to avoid the subversion of politics and the corruption of morals. We, as citizens devoted to reading and as librarians and publishers responsible for disseminating ideas, wish to assert the public interest in the preservation of the freedom to read.”—Freedom to Read Statement
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“Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.”—UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights
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“I am really mortified to be told that, in the United States of America, a fact like this [i.e., the purchase of an apparent geological or astronomical work] can become a subject of inquiry, and of criminal inquiry too, as an offense against religion; that a question about the sale of a book can be carried before the civil magistrate. Is this then our freedom of religion? and are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books may be sold, and what we may buy? And who is thus to dogmatize religious opinions for our citizens? Whose foot is to be the measure to which ours are all to be cut or stretched? Is a priest to be our inquisitor, or shall a layman, simple as ourselves, set up his reason as the rule for what we are to read, and what we must believe? It is an insult to our citizens to question whether they are rational beings or not, and blasphemy against religion to suppose it cannot stand the test of truth and reason. If [this] book be false in its facts, disprove them; if false in its reasoning, refute it. But, for God’s sake, let us freely hear both sides, if we choose.”—Thomas Jefferson to N. G. Dufief, 1814. ME 14:127
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“It is now well established that the Constitution protects the right to receive information and ideas. ‘This freedom [of speech and press] . . . necessarily protects the right to receive . . . .’ Martin v. City of Struthers, 319 U.S. 141, 143 (1943); see Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 482 (1965); Lamont v. Postmaster General, 381 U.S. 301, 307 -308 (1965) (BRENNAN, J., concurring); cf. Pierce v. Society of Sisters, 268 U.S. 510 (1925). This right to receive information and ideas, regardless of their social worth, see Winters v. New York, 333 U.S. 507, 510 (1948), is fundamental to our free society. ”—Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall, Stanley v. Georgia, 394 U.S. 557 (1969)
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“If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.”—Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)
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“Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties.”—Areopagitica, John Milton, 1644
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“[L]ibraries in the United States can contribute to a future that values and protects freedom of speech in a world that celebrates both our similarities and our differences, respects individuals and their beliefs, and holds all persons truly equal and free.”—Libraries: An American Value
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“He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”—Dissertations on First Principles of Government, Thomas Paine
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“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind. Were an opinion a personal possession of no value except to the owner; if to be obstructed in the enjoyment of it were simply a private injury, it would make some difference whether the injury was inflicted only on a few persons or on many. But the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.”—On Liberty, John Stuart Mill
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“[F]reedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order.”—Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)
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“Now that eighteen-year-olds have the right to vote, it is obvious that they must be allowed the freedom to form their political views on the basis of uncensored speech before they turn eighteen, so that their minds are not a blank when they first exercise the franchise. And since an eighteen-year-old’s right to vote is a right personal to him rather than a right to be exercised on his behalf by his parents, the right of parents to enlist the aid of the state to shield their children from ideas of which the parents disapprove cannot be plenary either. People are unlikely to become well-functioning, independent-minded adults and responsible citizens if they are raised in an intellectual bubble.”—Seventh District Judge Richard Posner, American Amusement Machine Association, et al., Plaintiffs-Appellants, v. Teri Kendrick, et al., Defendants-Appellees (2001)
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“Every man—in the development of his own personality—has the right to form his own beliefs and opinions. Hence, suppression of belief, opinion and expression is an affront to the dignity of man, a negation of man’s essential nature.”—Toward a General Theory of the First Amendment, Thomas Emerson
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“Indeed, perhaps we do the minors of this country harm if First Amendment protections, which they will with age inherit fully, are chipped away in the name of their protection.”—Judge Lowell A. Reed, Jr., American Civil Liberties Union, et al. v. Janet Reno (No. 98-5591)

Books, Social, Religion

23 comments


  1. “The interest in protecting young library users from material inappropriate for minors is legitimate, and even compelling, as all Members of the Court appear to agree.” US v. American Library Association, US Supreme Court, 2003. See http://laws.findlaw.com/us/539/194.html

    That one quote is more on point than all those general ones provided above.

    See also Thomas Sowell’s article about Banned Books Week really being National Hogwash Week at http://web.mac.com/safelibraries/BBW/National_Hogwash_Week.html

  2. I don’t agree with that sentiment at all.

    “When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives.”;
    - Robert Heinlein

    “The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It’s like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can’t have steak.”;
    - Robert Heinlein

  3. frank, you don’t agree with the US Supreme Court? Tell me what you think of this: http://webpages.charter.net/tomeboy/censorship.html

  4. I look at the list of banned books and what do I see? Religious extremists who want a book banned because they think they promote devil worship. People who want to censor one of the great American novel s because it has the word “nigger” in it. Narrow minded bigots who demand that a book be removed because they can’t accept the fact that gays and lesbians can have families and be in a committed, loving relationship. People who have been so damaged by their upbringing that any thought of their teens having sexual desires freaks them out. These are the books that Thomas Sowell conveniently forgets about in his article that you reference.

    The censorship of ideas is more difficult now than it was in the past but the extremists will still make the attempt. People who believe in the free expression of ideas need to be vigilant.

  5. Jim

    1) Libraries are BIG. The number of books that may not be appropriate for your child is not going to be significant compared to the overall number of books.
    2) Libraries are broken into sections -
    Children, Young Adult, etc. Just like with TV shows, I help them select books that are appropriate for their age level, reading level, and interest.

  6. Jim

    ““The interest in protecting young library users from material inappropriate for minors is legitimate, and even compelling, as all Members of the Court appear to agree.” US v. American Library Association, US Supreme Court, 2003. See http://laws.findlaw.com/us/539/194.html

    Looks like quote mining. The law applies to internet access, and specifically states that adults need to be allowed easy access to the materials –

    Justice Kennedy concluded that if, as the Government represents, a librarian will unblock filtered material or disable the Internet software filter without significant delay on an adult user’s request, there is little to this case. There are substantial Government interests at stake here: The interest in protecting young library users from material inappropriate for minors is legitimate, and even compelling, as all Members of the Court appear to agree. Given this interest, and the failure to show that adult library users’ access to the material is burdened in any significant degree, the statute is not unconstitutional on its face. If some libraries do not have the capacity to unblock specific Web sites or to disable the filter or if it is shown that an adult user’s election to view constitutionally protected Internet material is burdened in some other substantial way, that would be the subject for an as-applied challenge, not this facial challenge.

  7. frank, I agree 100%. But you have not describd the situation fully. Consider, for example, who Naomi Wolf is and what she has said, for example:

    “[S]ex saturates the “Gossip Girl” books, by Cecily von Ziegesar, which are about 17- and 18-year-old private school girls in Manhattan. This is not the frank sexual exploration found in a Judy Blume novel, but teenage sexuality via Juicy Couture, blasé and entirely commodified.”

    http://www.safelibraries.org/pushers.htm#in_for_a_surprise

    She even went on Oprah about this. Certainly she does not fit the description you provided.

  8. Jim,

    How about this, from President Eisenhower, 1953:

    “Don’t join the book burners. Don’t think you’re going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don’t be afraid to go in your library and read every book, as long as any document does not offend our own ideas of decency. That should be the only censorship.”

    http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bookburning/bookburning.htm

  9. Jim

    I would say Eisenhower missed the mark.

    Don’t think you’re going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don’t be afraid to go in your library and read every book, as long as any document does not offend our own ideas of decency. That should be the only censorship.

    How will we defeat communism unless we know what it is, what it teaches, and why does it have such an appeal for men, why are so many people swearing allegiance to it? It’s almost a religion, albeit one of the nether regions.

    And we have got to fight it with something better, not try to conceal the thinking of our own people. They are part of America. And even if they think ideas that are contrary to ours, their right to say them, their right to record them, and their right to have them at places where they’re accessible to others is unquestioned, or it’s not America.

    I suspect he was against censorship but he either had a gut feeling that he wanted to reserve the right to censor things that offended him personally or a speech writer decided to temper his words as to not offend his constituents.

    The problem is, a library that contained only books that didn’t offend some people at some level would be a very empty place. Most of that quote suggest that censoring is a big mistake.

  10. Jim,

    It is a big mistake, censoring. But keeping children from sexually inappropriate material is the distinction I am talking about, the one the ALA ignores. The law, the community, Eisenhower, the US Supreme Court, Naomi Wolf, common sense, etc., all are people and things that are against allowing children access to sexually inappropriate material.

    Keeping children from sexually inappropriate information is what everyone does naturally — it is not censorship. The ALA’s efforts to claim or imply it is censorship and that it is bad have been effective, as your arguments show, but that does not make them right.

    Even former ALA members and ALA Councilor admit this:

    “It also highlights the thing we know about Banned Books Week that we don’t talk about much — the bulk of these books are challenged by parents for being age-inappropriate for children. While I think this is still a formidable thing for librarians to deal with, it’s totally different from people trying to block a book from being sold at all.”

    http://www.safelibraries.org/goodlibrarians.htm#bbw

  11. Jim,

    Any why is this the policy of the ALA — a policy to push sexual material, not physics, or civics, or even computers — even to take a “leadership role” in doing so — librarians, remember, we are talking about:

    “ALA affirms the right of youth to comprehensive, sex-related … materials…; affirms the active role of librarians in providing such; and urges librarians and library educators to re-examine existing policies and practices and assume a leadership role in seeing that information is available for children and adolescents….”

    http://www.ala.org/ala/ourassociation/governingdocs/policymanual/services.htm

  12. The problem is: “Who decides?”

    The government? I don’t want the government to decide what anyone reads. Not about science, not about sex, not about anything. The less power government has over individual behavior, the better I like it.

    The clergy? Those paragons of virtue have brought us Jimmy Swaggart, Oral Roberts, Jim and Tammy Baker, pedophile priests, Kent Hovind, Keith Butler, Richard Roberts, the Anglican Bishop Isaac Orama, Catholic Archbishop Chimoio, and Ted Haggard. The list goes on and on. No help on moral or ethical issues there, and certainly no high ground from where they can instruct people what they can read.

    Parents? Only for their own children. Only they can deem what’s appropriate for their children. But, they have absolutely no right to tell other parents what they can or can not allow their kids to read.

    This is not an easy issue, but it is too easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I prefer to err on the side of no censorship. To me, a safe library is a useless library.

  13. More quote mining. The actual text:

    ALA affirms the right of youth to comprehensive, sex-related education, materials, programs, and referral services of the highest quality;

    assume a leadership role in seeing that information is available for children and adolescents, parents, and youth-serving professionals.

    Making age appropriate information on STDs, contraception, and other help issues sounds reasonable to me.

  14. frank,

    Everyone decides, when it comes to sexually inappropriate material for children. Your “who decides” idea is an idea the ALA made up as the method for bypassing everyone and common sense. Then people like you pick up the idea and think it is so wonderful, using a propaganda technique called “conversion.”

    Only since the ALA and ACLU got into this did people think children should not be protected from sexually inappropriate information. And saying who is to judge what is sexually inappropriate is a total end run around the issue.

    You, frank, and Jim, apparently believe sexually inappropriate material for children is acceptable or you would not be making the excuses you are making. Like saying SCOTUS is irrelevant. Or Dwight D. Eisenhower is off the mark. And the ALA is correct.

    Honestly, think outside the ALA conversion effect, clear your minds from the propaganda, do you think it is acceptable that children have access to sexually inappropriate material? Would you want your child to not only have such access, but to be assigned such material in public school? And what if you were told the material is really an excellent book but were not told of its inappropriately sexualized content by the public school employees or board?

  15. Whatever, it’s nice having a polite conversation with you both.

  16. Jim

    “apparently believe sexually inappropriate material for children is acceptable”

    I don’t believe that is a fair assessment.

    Should a gay or bi-sexual teen have access to books that help them understand that their are others out there like them — absolutely. Should teens with sexual curiosities have access to books about sex — absolutely. Access to information is a good thing.

    There are people who don’t want their kids to know anything about sex at a young age. The onus is on them to watch what their children read. I know of books that explain “where babies come from” in age appropriate levels for preschoolers that some prudes would want censored.

    As a side note, if a child or any person is seeking out a topic, they have some understanding and interest in it already. They WILL find information, either on the street, on the internet, or in the library. I like having the library as an option.

  17. Jim,

    I’m sensing that we would be agreeing if only we were talking about the same thing. So let me simply this.

    If a third grader reads a book that is filled with profanity, rape, oral sex with the father, oral sex with the mother, having a child with the father, having sex with the father while the father has sex with the child/grandchild still in Pampers, and all written in an “authentic” manner, and if this book is recommended or awarded by the ALA for children, and the schools then give that award winning book to that third grader telling the parents nothing or that it was an award winning coming of age book, and let’s assume everyone in the world other than the ALA and the ACLU agrees this book is inappropriate material for children, would you then agree with the rest of the world that such a book is inappropriate for such a child?

  18. Jim

    Sounds like a pretty far stretch, but I’ll play along.

    Does this book sound appropriate for my children – no.
    Would I be surprised to see it in the Children’s area of our library – yes.

    But I do have some questions –

    Why is the ALA recommending the book and giving it an award?

    Why is this book targeted at 3rd graders? Are there a lot of 3rd graders who have gone through this horror story in real life and need to cope with it (doubtful, but their must be some reason the publisher felt 3rd grade was a good market)?

    Based on your summary and website, it sounds like this hypothetical book would more likely be a 300 plus pg, 900 or greater lexile book targeted at older teens. This would turn off 90% of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders and most 6th, 7th and 8th graders.

    As a parent of a 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders capable of reading at the 1000 lexile level and above I can make these predictions.

    1) Our school librarian would have previewed the book and not stocked it. She has done this with other award winning books that weren’t quite age appropriate.
    2) None of the teachers at our school would recommend the book without having read it – at least none we have had so far. The teacher are also parents, so they think like parents.
    3) None of my three children would likely seek out the book in the public library either. The cover and synopsis would turn them off, despite the big Award Winning stamp.
    4) If they did get handed the book, the younger two would probably put it down once they got to the sex scenes or before, because they would find it either boring, gross, or inappropriate.
    5) The eldest,a major book worm who digest age appropriate novels in under an hour, would probably give the book the longest read, but would likely be uncomfortable with the subject matter and either put it down, or just skim over the boring sex stuff if the rest of the novel was good.
    6) As their parent, before any of them started reading it, I would have looked at the synopsis and told them to find something else.

  19. Jim

    As an aside, I still wouldn’t ban your book from the library, but I would question the YA rating. I can’t see there being a lot of demand for it either, so I would probably have only one copy in the system.

  20. I’ve been thinking about his example, and without knowing what his book is, I’ll play along with another example. Would you declare a book not “age appropriate” for third graders if it had the following in it?

    1. Incest: two girls get their father drunk and have sex with him.
    2. Genocide is spoken of in glowing terms.
    3. A father offers his virgin daughter to a mob to be raped, if they would just leave him alone.
    4. The protagonist, portrayed as a hero in the book, demands that a man slaughter his own son for no good reason.
    5. Rape.
    6. Torture.
    7. Justification of slavery.
    8. Promotes polygamy.
    9. Justifies biological warfare.

    I know for a fact that parts of this book are on some third graders’ reading list. That’s unfortunate, because it can warp young minds. You can find that book here.

    If you’re successful in getting it banned, let me know.

  21. Jim, Frank,

    So we do agree. Phew! That was close. The only “problem” with Jim’s argument, however, is something that I do not blame him for for being unaware. That is the book jacket synopses. They are often glowing and usually leave out info about age inappropriate material. Worse, such books actually get ALA recommendations, even awards. So it is easy for parents and school teachers to be misled. I do not blame them one iota. Indeed, parents in School District 126 in Illinois were misled to the point where the School Board officially and publicly apologized. http://www.culturecampaign.com/IL_Cook_Distr_126.aspx

    Now here’s that book I mentioned with the Pampers:

    Push by Sapphire
    This book by sapphire is an excellent book for anyone not just teens. Although it does have some vulgar language the book has an overall great storyline and alot of different life lessons. The girl in the book is physically, emotionally, and mentally affected. She has been molested by both her mother and father, and is now bearing her fathers second child. She continues in school while her mother also physically abuses her because she is upset about her husband leaveing her bed to go sleep with thier daughter. The book is great!!
    crystal p.

    That’s from the ALA: http://archive.ala.org/teenhoopla/reviews/archp.html

    Also from the ALA:
    Sapphire. Push. 1996. Knopf, $20 (0-679-44626-5).
    Gr. 11 and up. Untrained, uneducated, and pregnant by her father, Claireece Precious Jones has nowhere to turn until Ms. Blue encourages her to read and write down everything in a journal. As her writing becomes more accessible, she gains confidence in herself. A graphic, poignant novel, best suited to mature readers.

    That’s here: http://archive.ala.org/booklist/v95/youth/oc1/55yatalk.html

    So in one ALA page it is reading for everyone, and on another ALA page it is reading for grades 11 and 12. Thus we see the ALA contradicting itself, and recommending a book for all that it also recommends only for grades 11 and 12. So I’m totally out of this. This is not my or your opinion. This is the vaunted ALA itself recommending an inappropriate book for grade 10 and under to kids grade 10 and under. We even see the ALA recommending restricting the book, yet no one is claiming the ALA is banning books. Curious, huh?

  22. I’m glad to see that you support removing the Christian bible from libraries as I suggested in comment #20.

    I think this thread has basically run out of steam and we’re going to start arguing in circles, so this is my last comment to this entry. I’m not going to lock the post, but I’m not likely to respond here.

    Nice having a civil discussion with you.